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		<title>By: Faggot54</title>
		<link>http://www.kejda.net/2009/09/24/robert-stacy-mccain-neo-confede-what/comment-page-1/#comment-7623</link>
		<dc:creator>Faggot54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps one voted no because one actually preferred a more honestly socialist response, in which the federal government nationalized these banks or their transactions, and thus made voters not just indirect beneficiaries of any money that might be recouped though the recovery of Wall Street banks, but actual owners of the assets in question themselves. ,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps one voted no because one actually preferred a more honestly socialist response, in which the federal government nationalized these banks or their transactions, and thus made voters not just indirect beneficiaries of any money that might be recouped though the recovery of Wall Street banks, but actual owners of the assets in question themselves. ,</p>
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		<title>By: driver68</title>
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		<dc:creator>driver68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing to learn from Sweden. ,</description>
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		<title>By: Loco</title>
		<link>http://www.kejda.net/2009/09/24/robert-stacy-mccain-neo-confede-what/comment-page-1/#comment-7542</link>
		<dc:creator>Loco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That he sure is. Look at his neo-Con rants:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/10/meet-robert-stacy-mccain-neo.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That he sure is. Look at his neo-Con rants:</p>
<p><a href="http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/10/meet-robert-stacy-mccain-neo.html" rel="nofollow">http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/10/meet-robert-stacy-mccain-neo.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: A Quick Guide to Right-Wing Extremism on the Web</title>
		<link>http://www.kejda.net/2009/09/24/robert-stacy-mccain-neo-confede-what/comment-page-1/#comment-7258</link>
		<dc:creator>A Quick Guide to Right-Wing Extremism on the Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 04:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] supremacists should not be ignored. Instapundit and Hot Air can be implicated via association with one prominent right-wing blogger; Malkin has supported VDARE which isn&#8217;t exactly subtle about how it conceives other [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] supremacists should not be ignored. Instapundit and Hot Air can be implicated via association with one prominent right-wing blogger; Malkin has supported VDARE which isn&#8217;t exactly subtle about how it conceives other [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/34792_Robert_Stacy_McCains_Latest_Excuse</description>
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		<title>By: zilman</title>
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		<dc:creator>zilman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been following the blogosphere debate over Robert Stacy McCain&#039;s position on race, and find the evidence a mixed bag.

There&#039;s stuff that looks bad: 
- George Archibald and Marlene Johnson, who worked with McCain at the Washington Times, went on the record calling him, respectively, &quot;a complete animalistic racist&quot; and &quot;an avowed segregationist&quot; (The Nation, 10/9/06)
- as a section editor, McCain ran content from overthrow.com
- he covered American Renaissance&#039;s conferences
- he offered &quot;warm congratulations&quot; in American Renaissance&#039;s publication for an essay touting white-supremacist Christian theology
- NY Press columnist Michelangelo Signorile said McCain wrote on Free Republic that it was neither racist nor unnatural to feel &quot;revulsion&quot; at media images of interracial marriage. While McCain has acknowledged being the anonymous freeper BurkeCalhounDabney, he denied writing the words Signorile attributed to him: “I didn’t say that. What I said was people had the right to their own opinions,&quot; he told Alan Colmes. The post itself is not available -- all McCain&#039;s posts at Free Republic were deleted after his cover was blown.
- Although McCain told Colmes he was not a member of the League of the South (LotS), blogger &quot;Stogie&quot; of Saber Point says he and McCain were members.

But there&#039;s also evidence McCain has opposed bigotry:
- Stogie brought up McCain&#039;s League of the South membership to tell the story of how the two of them opposed other members with racist attitudes
- In 1996, newspaper columnist Ralph de la Cruz wrote that McCain had emailed him in response to a column on affirmative action, and had professed to &quot;loathe&quot; David Duke (Long Beach Press-Telegram, 10/7/96).
- McCain has responded to the recent debate by blogging that he has &quot;never advocated, endorsed or supported&quot; racism
- I didn&#039;t save the url from Google&#039;s news archive, but I did see a McCain column from the 1990s in which he said no one should suffer from discrimination

Stogie&#039;s story particularly interested me, and I&#039;ve finally just located an archived version of Dennis Wheeler&#039;s compilation of the listserve debate that took place among LotSers on whether to admit blacks and Jews to the secessionist organization. It turns out that Stogie is Gary Waltrip, a self-described neo-confederate who was even more vocal than McCain in opposing Wheeler&#039;s racist position. Here are the most relevant excerpts:

Robert Stacy McCain: “I have never understood those black or white who say that the South should necessarily be riven by racial antagonisms.”

Gary Waltrip: “Sorry for getting hot, but I am sick of BIGOTS trying to take over this movement. You folks must have wandered into the wrong listserve. The Klan meeting is down the hall.”

Wheeler compiled the email messages into a transcript  he called &quot;The Great Southern League Race Debate.&quot; He said he thought it was important for other white supremacists to see how whites like McCain and Waltrip could go soft and adopt a “Libertarian view on race.” 

The following link to the LotS debate transcript is a Google cache of the racist web site where I found this. You can open the snipped url without visiting the hate site itself.

http://snipurl.com/lots_race_debate

As I said, the evidence isn&#039;t clear-cut. McCain is an interesting fellow. Archibald has just come out with a memoir, &quot;Journalism is War.&quot; He says there&#039;s a chapter on McCain and the racism issue at the Washington Times. I&#039;m going to buy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been following the blogosphere debate over Robert Stacy McCain&#8217;s position on race, and find the evidence a mixed bag.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s stuff that looks bad:<br />
- George Archibald and Marlene Johnson, who worked with McCain at the Washington Times, went on the record calling him, respectively, &#8220;a complete animalistic racist&#8221; and &#8220;an avowed segregationist&#8221; (The Nation, 10/9/06)<br />
- as a section editor, McCain ran content from overthrow.com<br />
- he covered American Renaissance&#8217;s conferences<br />
- he offered &#8220;warm congratulations&#8221; in American Renaissance&#8217;s publication for an essay touting white-supremacist Christian theology<br />
- NY Press columnist Michelangelo Signorile said McCain wrote on Free Republic that it was neither racist nor unnatural to feel &#8220;revulsion&#8221; at media images of interracial marriage. While McCain has acknowledged being the anonymous freeper BurkeCalhounDabney, he denied writing the words Signorile attributed to him: “I didn’t say that. What I said was people had the right to their own opinions,&#8221; he told Alan Colmes. The post itself is not available &#8212; all McCain&#8217;s posts at Free Republic were deleted after his cover was blown.<br />
- Although McCain told Colmes he was not a member of the League of the South (LotS), blogger &#8220;Stogie&#8221; of Saber Point says he and McCain were members.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s also evidence McCain has opposed bigotry:<br />
- Stogie brought up McCain&#8217;s League of the South membership to tell the story of how the two of them opposed other members with racist attitudes<br />
- In 1996, newspaper columnist Ralph de la Cruz wrote that McCain had emailed him in response to a column on affirmative action, and had professed to &#8220;loathe&#8221; David Duke (Long Beach Press-Telegram, 10/7/96).<br />
- McCain has responded to the recent debate by blogging that he has &#8220;never advocated, endorsed or supported&#8221; racism<br />
- I didn&#8217;t save the url from Google&#8217;s news archive, but I did see a McCain column from the 1990s in which he said no one should suffer from discrimination</p>
<p>Stogie&#8217;s story particularly interested me, and I&#8217;ve finally just located an archived version of Dennis Wheeler&#8217;s compilation of the listserve debate that took place among LotSers on whether to admit blacks and Jews to the secessionist organization. It turns out that Stogie is Gary Waltrip, a self-described neo-confederate who was even more vocal than McCain in opposing Wheeler&#8217;s racist position. Here are the most relevant excerpts:</p>
<p>Robert Stacy McCain: “I have never understood those black or white who say that the South should necessarily be riven by racial antagonisms.”</p>
<p>Gary Waltrip: “Sorry for getting hot, but I am sick of BIGOTS trying to take over this movement. You folks must have wandered into the wrong listserve. The Klan meeting is down the hall.”</p>
<p>Wheeler compiled the email messages into a transcript  he called &#8220;The Great Southern League Race Debate.&#8221; He said he thought it was important for other white supremacists to see how whites like McCain and Waltrip could go soft and adopt a “Libertarian view on race.” </p>
<p>The following link to the LotS debate transcript is a Google cache of the racist web site where I found this. You can open the snipped url without visiting the hate site itself.</p>
<p><a href="http://snipurl.com/lots_race_debate" rel="nofollow">http://snipurl.com/lots_race_debate</a></p>
<p>As I said, the evidence isn&#8217;t clear-cut. McCain is an interesting fellow. Archibald has just come out with a memoir, &#8220;Journalism is War.&#8221; He says there&#8217;s a chapter on McCain and the racism issue at the Washington Times. I&#8217;m going to buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.kejda.net/2009/09/24/robert-stacy-mccain-neo-confede-what/comment-page-1/#comment-7171</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s still running his mouth on Hot Air...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s still running his mouth on Hot Air&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ashok</title>
		<link>http://www.kejda.net/2009/09/24/robert-stacy-mccain-neo-confede-what/comment-page-1/#comment-7168</link>
		<dc:creator>ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is a list of extremist groups on the Right and Left I can refer people to? I know quite a few people that would say any distaste I have for the word &quot;confederate&quot; is because I&#039;m politically correct and want the federal government to completely dominate everything: they would show just enough partiality to this group to give it an unwarranted benefit of the doubt, which is what I suspect created the problems we&#039;re having with extremism now in the first place.
.-= ashok&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ashokkarra.com/2009/09/re-irving-kristol-and-partisan-generosity/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Re: Irving Kristol and Partisan Generosity&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is a list of extremist groups on the Right and Left I can refer people to? I know quite a few people that would say any distaste I have for the word &#8220;confederate&#8221; is because I&#8217;m politically correct and want the federal government to completely dominate everything: they would show just enough partiality to this group to give it an unwarranted benefit of the doubt, which is what I suspect created the problems we&#8217;re having with extremism now in the first place.<br />
.-= ashok&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.ashokkarra.com/2009/09/re-irving-kristol-and-partisan-generosity/" rel="nofollow">Re: Irving Kristol and Partisan Generosity</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: mili</title>
		<link>http://www.kejda.net/2009/09/24/robert-stacy-mccain-neo-confede-what/comment-page-1/#comment-7166</link>
		<dc:creator>mili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://saberpoint.blogspot.com/2009/09/kejda-gjermani-immature-twit-with.html


&quot;At age 26 her profound personal immaturity is matched only by her soaring and unfounded arrogance&quot;

Kejd, robt jane fiku keq me ty. Po aq keq po them, saqe nuk kane nge te te shohin as sa e ke moshen tamam.</description>
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<p>&#8220;At age 26 her profound personal immaturity is matched only by her soaring and unfounded arrogance&#8221;</p>
<p>Kejd, robt jane fiku keq me ty. Po aq keq po them, saqe nuk kane nge te te shohin as sa e ke moshen tamam.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas von der Trave</title>
		<link>http://www.kejda.net/2009/09/24/robert-stacy-mccain-neo-confede-what/comment-page-1/#comment-7132</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas von der Trave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile I notice a fool calling himself &quot;Saber Point&quot; (a friend and admirer of Stonewall Jackson, apparently) is calling for people to dig up dirt on you and email it to him. He plans payback. 

Must be a lot of dirt after a whole 23 years. You WERE kicked out of Albania, right? And Canada? God knows what those countries must have on you.

Let me know if anyone needs a free mocking. I&#039;m at your disposal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile I notice a fool calling himself &#8220;Saber Point&#8221; (a friend and admirer of Stonewall Jackson, apparently) is calling for people to dig up dirt on you and email it to him. He plans payback. </p>
<p>Must be a lot of dirt after a whole 23 years. You WERE kicked out of Albania, right? And Canada? God knows what those countries must have on you.</p>
<p>Let me know if anyone needs a free mocking. I&#8217;m at your disposal.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.kejda.net/2009/09/24/robert-stacy-mccain-neo-confede-what/comment-page-1/#comment-7130</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies to Karmic Inquisitor too. I thought you were trashing her essays. I just recently became a Kejda/LGF fan, so I need to figure out the good guys from the bad guys.
.-= Mark&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jezjo.com/?p=653&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Threadless Tshirt Giveaway at jaypeeonline.net&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies to Karmic Inquisitor too. I thought you were trashing her essays. I just recently became a Kejda/LGF fan, so I need to figure out the good guys from the bad guys.<br />
.-= Mark&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.jezjo.com/?p=653" rel="nofollow">Threadless Tshirt Giveaway at jaypeeonline.net</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kejda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kejda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, no problem. It happens... hard to keep track of all the crazies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, no problem. It happens&#8230; hard to keep track of all the crazies.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol yes! I need to sit back and figure who is who before I jump in. Sorry. :)
.-= Mark&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jezjo.com/?p=653&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Threadless Tshirt Giveaway at jaypeeonline.net&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol yes! I need to sit back and figure who is who before I jump in. Sorry. <img src='http://www.kejda.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
.-= Mark&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.jezjo.com/?p=653" rel="nofollow">Threadless Tshirt Giveaway at jaypeeonline.net</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kejda</title>
		<link>http://www.kejda.net/2009/09/24/robert-stacy-mccain-neo-confede-what/comment-page-1/#comment-7127</link>
		<dc:creator>Kejda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you replying to the wrong comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you replying to the wrong comment?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that a threat?

I read her essays and thought they were quite good. Your description tells me you didn&#039;t read them at all.
.-= Mark&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jezjo.com/?p=653&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Threadless Tshirt Giveaway at jaypeeonline.net&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that a threat?</p>
<p>I read her essays and thought they were quite good. Your description tells me you didn&#8217;t read them at all.<br />
.-= Mark&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.jezjo.com/?p=653" rel="nofollow">Threadless Tshirt Giveaway at jaypeeonline.net</a> =-.</p>
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